Name: Margaret Medew
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I think it is ridiculous that homosexual people expect to receive a special exemption certificate with their Bibles which means that they alone can keep this one preferred sin. If people don't want to be part of the church of all true believers no one is forcing them; but why should homosexual people be trying to force true believers to give up their faith and accept immoral acts. The obsession that gay people have with making everyone else take notice of them is incredibly childish - but then again, so is playing with poo (a preferred gay male activity!!) I do not want my church or my country being run by people who can't work out that gay sex is wrong. I know that you don't care what I think, but I do wonder at the obsession that gay people have with the church. Are they jealous??
Actually, I am amazed at how few such messages are posted in my guest book. I share it here to air out my space and to dissipate the fumes.
Pray for Margaret that her life will be filled with joy. Camping at Eastwood on the big pond sounds rather unenjoyable right now.
Lutibelle/Louie
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:57:27 -0400
Some comments on Abestoswear from Margaret's of Sydney:
Actually, "true believers" is a good self-description. Back in the
early 1950s Eric Hofer wrote a small work on fanaticism, the roles of
conservative
v. liberal ideologies in shaping worldviews and what factors prompt certain
people
to become what he called "true believers" and willing to sacrifice everything
to the true cause. Here's a couple of thoughts from Hofer's book:
Those who are awed by their surroundings do not think of change, no
matter how miserable their condition. When our mode of life is so
precarious (NOTE: or perceived as such - the literal existence of
the conditions people respond to is not necessary to produce their
response, only the sincere belief they exist) as to make it patent
that we cannot control our circumstances of our existence, we tend to
stick to the proven and the familiar. We counteract a deep feeling
of insecurity by making of our existence a fixed routine. We hereby
acquire the dillusion that we have tamed the unpredictable. ( 17)
Hofer's point is that fear of the present and the future
(one of the conditions Milton Rokeach suggests is inevitably present
in those with closed minds) often dictates a sanctification of the
familiar. The tendency of many in the west, including this woman,
is to confuse middle class morality with natural law and divine sanction.
It misidentifies what is with what ought to be.
Of course there is a very practical reason for doing so. It allows
those who are willing and able to obey the dictates of that which is
within one's grasp, conventional morality, to see themselves as being
in obedience to natural law and God. Thus, despite the fact
one experiences themselves in a precarious world, they also experience
themselves in control of their own lives and ratified by God Godself.
And, thus, all whose behaviors or thoughts suggest otherwise must be
condemned as blasphemers and threats to society (read: they threaten
one's perception of being in control by presenting alternative realities).
Of course, the opposite situation can also be true. Conservatives
are often those who have something to conserve. Thus, those who benefit from
current social arrangements in terms of wealth, position, status, power
and self-affirmation are going to be loathe to see such arrangements change.
As Hofer says:
When the present seems so perfect that the most we can expect is its
even continuation in the future, change can only mean deterioration.
Hence men of outstanding achievement and those who live full, happy
lives usually set their faces against drastic innovation.
This is clearly what underlies the struggle at Lambeth over the
World Bank and debt forgiveness. A lot of people of privilege have a lot
to lose if that should occur. But a lot more folks in the 2/3 world have
nothing to lose and everything to gain.
But in this particular context, the notion of heterosexism is very
helpful (as opposed to the irrational operation of homophobia) in
understanding where this woman is coming from. Her comments
suggest she is heterosexual. She rails that attitudes about homosexuals
are in process of change. Of course, one would oppose the current social
arrangement if one is somehow deprived under it and support change (assuming
they believe that it's possible for change to make things better). But
those who would fight tooth and nail to preserve it do so because they
have something to lose. What this woman has to lose is the unlevel playing
field that a heterosexist church and society provides its heterosexual
players. It is not surprising she would be so energized in her comments
given that potential loss of power, status and privilege.
This is a good example of projection, I think. On a given night's
watching of commercial television, a space alien encountering western culture
for the first time would probably come to the conclusion that westerners would
find it impossible to sell any product from cars to shampoo without the use
of heterosexual imagery. Indeed, sometimes it's hard to even tell what exactly
is being sold. The movie and music industries pound out a tidal wave of
heterosexual imagery that insists that the public take notice. Heterosexuality
seems to be intent upon being noticed, whether one wants to or not.
The gay community is just beginning to be noticed
and to make itself noticeable. The level of visibility our community
has in the 1990s is a very shortlived phenomena that goes back
only four decades at best. Compare this with centuries of heterosexual
notice making and taking and this statement begins to be seen as the absurd
comment rising out projection that it is.
(...because if I did, my own sense of myself and my being in control
of my world and my ultimate destiny secured by virtue of adhering to middle
class moral values might be in jeopardy. I like things as they are. I feel
safe and in control and self-justified. You gays are so mean and ugly to
cause this state of affairs to change or people like me to have to rethink
our worldviews. Why don't you just go away and leave decent, law-abiding
folks like me alone ?...)
She does raise a good question here, I think. Why *would* gay
people want to be part of a church which is based in homophobia and
heterosexist privilege ? (Note how her last comment about jealousy speaks
to the element of privilege)
This is the question I raised earlier and so many of you so kindly
responded to both privately and online. I think the essence of the question
is whether the church can change. I have come to frame this question in terms
of misfeasance and malfeasance.
When the church engages in misfeasance, it knows what it is
called to be but loses sight of that calling and goes off the path.
Misfeasance always leaves the possibility open that the church will
realize it has made a mistake and seek to rectify it. In our own language,
we call that repentance and reconciliation.
Malfeasance, on the other hand, is the active and self-assured
doing of evil. It is what I hear in the self-righteous and voluntary
self-blindedness of the African and Asian bishops who perpetuate
ungrounded connections of homosexuality and child abuse or bestiality.
It is what I hear in the self-righteous purity-driven moral crusades
of the American presenters. Malfeasance is the more dangerous
of the two because it does not leave any room to be wrong and thus
does not see any reason for introspection and self-examination of
conscience or comparison of one's acts to one's stated ideals.
While I can readily deal with misfeasance because every one of us
makes mistakes, a malfeasance in which self-righteous, self-blinding
and thus unreflective people become crusaders to actively
perpetrate evil in the world is unacceptable. If the church is relegated
to that mode of being, not only gays and lesbians but all "true believers"
ought to have second thoughts about remaining a part of such a destructive
entity.
So her question is well taken. If the church is in the latter
state, as her comments would suggest, why *would* gays and lesbians who
have any modicum of self-respect or love want to be associated with such
a destructive entity ? Of course, her comment is based upon the
mistaken assumption that this is the only form the church of the
"true believers" could possibly take. On the other hand, what gay people
want, demand and are helping to create is a church in which there is no
privilege, either among members or between members and non-members outside
the church.
I believe the faith of the true believer is not about power, not
about a sense of control of one's world, not about privilege which
legitimates and sets the faithful above the heathen of the world.
That is the description of a country club or a national security
organization, both of which operate in us v. them terms which create
self-legitimation through the denigration of others. The church
which incarnates the Way of Jesus will by definition tear down
the walls of social privilege and power to let in "the little ones"
that Jesus spent his life ministering among. And as for the need for
self-justification, Jesus has a lot of choice comments about such
self-centered needs in the Gospels, none of them particularly flattering.
I offer these comments on this woman's post this morning for a very
specific reason. I do not seek to dismiss her words or the feelings which
obviously and powerfully inform them. I offer my analysis because I think
that it is important that we have some level of understanding what prompts
comments like these. It would be easy to see a woman like this as vicious
mean-spirited and evil. It would be easy to play her game and see her as
outside the pale of "true believers." But then we are no better than she.
What I hope will come across in these words is an understanding
of and sense of compassion for the level of fear, of the sense of
potential loss, of the unconscious vested interests in jeopardy
which this woman and millions others like her are feeling as
the Christian faith begins to come to grips with its destructive homophobic
past. In many ways, reconsidering social ideas about sexuality threatens to
shake down the very understanding of reality many people cling to, some
desparately. It is not surprising when one's grip on reality is threatened
that people would react so vehemently. The threat of chaos is a pretty
frightening thing for most human beings.
Those of us who have lived in closets of fear and self-loathing,
of clinging to hope in constructed realities we thought that if we could
just maintain them maybe we'd be safe, ought to understand that fear
experientially. Some of us also know what it means to have vested
interests that mean more to us than we might readily be able
to say and the anger and fear the threat of their being challenged
causes in us. I write this morning not to condemn this woman but to try
to understand where she is coming from. But I hope that understanding will
not be a merely mental connection but rather one which connects with
your solar plexus.
We all know what fear, anger and loss feel like. We all
know what cognitive dissonance does to our psychic systems, regardless of
how beneficial it might ultimately prove to be. While I do not suggest for
one second that we back down from calling the church to live into its
own ideals - an inclusive, life-giving, world-transforming way of being
the people of God - I do think that empathetic relating to the folks
who cause us to don our asbestos suits is important. Like the kids say today,
"Been there, done that," to which I'd add, "Learned to be a little more
compassionate as a result."
Harry+ (who's certainly been guilty of misfeasance in his time !)
The Rev. Harry Scott Coverston
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From: Rev Harry Scott Coverston
Subject: Re: Greeting received at breakfast (asbestos alert)
I think it is ridiculous that homosexual people expect to receive a special
exemption certificate with their Bibles which means that they alone can keep
this one preferred sin.
I was unaware we got a choice on which sins we preferred. When
did that happen ? And what were the other choices ?
If people don't want to be part of the church of all true believers
no one is forcing them; but why should homosexual people be trying
to force true believers to give up their faith and accept immoral acts.
Interesting conflation here of conventional morality and the faith
of the "true believer." Notice how the the richness and depth of the faith
is reduced here to a position on homosexuality. Notice also how brittle
this faith construct is - accepting homosexuality on any other terms than
the current moralistic understanding is tantamount to forcing people to give
up the whole of their faith entirely. There is a sense of the faith as a house
of cards here. One piece tumbles and the entire construct comes crashing down.
The obsession that gay people have with making everyone else take notice
of them is incredibly childish -
I do not want my church or my country being run by people who can't work out
that gay sex is wrong.
I know that you don't care what I think, but I do wonder at the obsession
that gay people have with the church. Are they jealous??
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Member, Florida Bar (inactive)
Ph.D. Candidate: Religion, Law and Society
Florida State University
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