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Re: The Guardian: The covenant is a waste of time and money
Thank you for writing to me, dear Bishop Obetia. I agree that we should not follow Christ on our own terms, but on God's terms. I agree that the church without discipline is a church without a Lord and savior. I agree that we are to make disciples, not Anglicans. God called me, as God calls all, out of darkness into light. I never thought anyone beside my parents could love me, yet discovered that God loves me, and not me only, but the whole world. My message has never been that gays are good, but that God is good, and God's mercy endures forever. I wish that you were not far away. I wish that you could come and dine with my husband Ernest and me, as Jesus dined with publicans and sinners. You would not find us saints, but you would find us changed. We would share living water from Samaritan wells. God bless and keep you. God lift up His countenance upon you and be gracious unto you. God give you peace. Louie Louie Crew, PhD, DD, DD, DHL Emeritus professor at Rutgers: The State University of New Jersey Co-Chair of the Newark deputation to General Convention ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Obetia" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Louie Crew" <email@example.com> Cc: <COULeaders@yahoo.co> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: The Guardian: The covenant is a waste of time and money Dear Louie, I have read your writings on this matter of the Covenant with a lot of interest. I guess you followed certain procedures to have this opinion come to us. If you did not follow these procedures you would not have reached the audience you have reached. You had the discipline to do it right to get to the right people. Christians are called disciples because they have to follow certain disciplines to succeed as followers of Christ. It is true we are saved by Grace not discipline, but for the church to be a witness it cannot conform to this world in order that grace might abound. The church without discipline is a church without a Lord and saviour. It can be anything other than a church. In John 6 when it became difficult for many to follow Christ and they were turning away for their lack of discipline, the Lord challenged the disciples "are you also going to turn away?" I think many want to follow Christ on their own terms. Perhaps you are right, the Anglican Church does not need a covenant in order to keep it self in line. The Lord did not say to the church 'go and make Anglican', but go and make disciplies! Since it has now been proven that Anglicans are only making Anglicans and not disciples, then the covenant becomes the only hope. When we declared a decade of evanglism in the 90s we were declaring a decade for making Anglicans and it has blown us apart. Disciples are made and making requires discipline. Rt Rev Dr Joel Obetia PhD Bishop of Madi West Nile --- On Fri, 11/19/10, Louie Crew <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > From: Louie Crew <email@example.com> > Subject: The Guardian: The covenant is a waste of time and money > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 8:27 PM > > FYi. > > Louie Crew > > > From > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/nov/18/covenant-waste- > time-money?CMP=twt_gu > > THE COVENANT IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY > > By Simon Sarmiento in the Guardian > > + guardian.co.uk, > Thursday 18 November 2010 12.12 GMT > .......
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